This interview was received back in July. But the customer refused to publish it. Therefore, with the cuts, we have a somewhat belated opinion on the activities of the Kharkiv Initiative — a public initiative on the three R — Ruin, Disarmament and Dismantling of the Russian Federation.
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Here is what the founder of the Kharkiv Initiative, lawyer, dok. Tarasenko, says
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— Will we receive reparations after the war?
— This government will not provide reparations. The Ukrainian government must now act in the interests of Ukraine, the citizens of Ukraine. But its representatives, the government, are doing everything possible so that the aggressor does not bear such responsibility either now or, especially, later. Well, it is clear why later - then the current ones will be removed from, in their opinion, the division of the dough. And now… It is difficult to name the reason, you really will not understand the incomprehensible. But why is there no suspicion of Putin to this day? Why was the money not taken away sooner? Why is not compensation now for what will later need to be obtained as a recourse from the aggressor? Simple questions that representatives of the state do not even want to hear.
And the answer is shocking in its simplicity: the government acts in its own, completely situational, and not state interests. "Well, after some time, either we will not be in power, or the power will be in the hands of the Russian Federation - so why do something that will not be of any benefit to us?"
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— The people explain this by fear of Putin.
— This is not so! When at any moment you can be killed regardless of love for the dictator, a completely different motivation comes into play - the calculation that somehow everything will work out without me - stay away! Otherwise, how can you simply evaluate the total protection of the aggressor from lawsuits. Protection at all levels, by all state structures.
A few glaring examples.
The first, very first lawsuit against the Russian Federation and Putin. 2023. The plaintiff is the honorary consul of Albania in Ukraine (in Kharkiv) Shahin Omarov. Not only did the prosecutor's office strictly warn: we will not provide any assistance in the lawsuit in two criminal cases. Not only did the judges (having previously agreed on the text of the lawsuit) initially demand a million hryvnias in court fees for considering the victim's claim for compensation for damage, but then they also accused the lawyers of "incorrect" statements in the case. But, despite all this, the judge opens the proceedings, and then ... changes the text of his own decision (!) and ... refuses for far-fetched reasons. And that's not all. They are persecuting the lawyers and discrediting them in the eyes of the client. And the final blow to the desire to compensate something was the arrival of the SBU at the consul's office, the breaking of the safe and the seizure of the only thing from all the diplomat's property that survived after his arrival - a personal phone with correspondence on the case with Ukrainian and Albanian lawyers. Curtain. Do you want anything to change after this after Omarov was appointed regional prosecutor?!
Corr. (By the way, while solving the client's problems, one of Omarov's lawyers had to temporarily hide abroad. But who cares?...)
— The NAPRNU case. Well, what could be strange here? Among the academicians of the respected organization - the chairman of the parliament, judges of the constitutional court, former and current deputies and high-ranking officials - take it and have a better result! Yeah...
For an effective lawsuit and its immediate execution in real time and with real money, an official document was signed in advance with an extraordinary government structure - ARMA. This is such a monster that first searches (through similar structures in other countries and its employees as well), and then manages assets that are, in our case, in the Russian Federation and its affiliated persons. And what do you think? But the responsible officials, headed by their Duma (the former head of ARMA cor.) simply abandoned NAPRNU and its leadership and took the side of ... rush! And why, in this case, should we be surprised that the appeal to Kharkiv universities to join forces to obtain compensation from the violator of international agreements was met with a unanimous refusal. That's all! And do you know what argument these officials of the institutions of the frontline city have? “And we agreed that we will only make claims together. Such a decision was not even put up for discussion, so forget about us and don't remind us.”
(And, so that there are no unnecessary questions, it was agreed at the very top — cor.).
— But as for the very top… On the one hand, there is a very strange situation here. And on the other hand, there is a concern about the use of the “Kharkiv style” of circular guarantee. Let me explain.
No matter who you turn to regarding the source of the team to drag out the claims, they point to the top everywhere and don't name a single name. You ask: Zelensky? Yarmak? Tatarov? No! Respectable uncles and aunts say, how could you think of these respectable people?! So who?! Well, how to say it… and they keep quiet.
On the one hand, it’s strange, because if you blurt something out, they’ll leave you behind - even if you’re the rector of a university, even if you’re the head of a city or administration. But there’s a method known in narrow circles called “no comments.” What is it - I’ll share an exclusive)
You are given an instruction, sometimes even in writing. To be carried out. But you have no right to tell anyone, except a respected person, anything about the agreement. More precisely, you have the right to say only one thing - "no comments". This is both an answer, a sign of loyalty to the agreements, and a password for others. But what will happen to those who name their names... guess for yourself. From a ban on the profession to ... anything to the person involved, his business, his family. The mafia is resting.
The main thing is that no one dares to check the mechanism of implementation of sometimes simply murderous commands. And for what? It is beneficial for the present, for the future ... and who are they, these future ones?
A respected person, whose house was destroyed by a missile, is convinced that everything can be resolved in ... a commercial court. And it is somehow inconvenient to explain some elementary things. That an individual is not a plaintiff in this court, that you have never had and do not have any economic relations with the Russian Federation… and most importantly: how will you get anything if it is not among the assets that are arrested to secure the claim? (Because nothing is arrested!!!)
And then they liquidated this court. And what? And nothing! It is all in the interests of you know who.
“So we will appeal to courts abroad!” Well, how? How many of the hundreds of such letters were executed?
All this is conceptually executed in the interests of the aggressor country and against the interests of Ukraine and its citizens. Only with the advent of a new government (not the old one, which is also in the interests of this one), but a new, Ukrainian one, will we be able to represent the interests of Ukraine and Ukrainians in reparations.
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— So what next?
— It does its thing to us. Of the three R - Ruin, Disarmament, Debunking, we deal with the first of the Rashi. But where the money will go is a topic for a separate conversation.
— Several dozen similar but different lawsuits were filed in court for compensation. Yes, in some of them the defendants were the ROC and the Gundyaevs. Do we need to explain why? And here the wall to protect the enemies was … the Ukrainian authorities! This is an invasion of religious life! What will the West say?! America is against it! Who says so? At the very top…
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Lawsuits of members of the Rotary clubs of Kharkiv, including those regarding children who were left without parents due to armed aggression. Did the former leadership of the Ukrainian club support such lawsuits, maybe someone is against it? At the very top - they answer.
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— A separate category of lawsuits is the persecution of internally displaced persons and emigrants abroad due to cooperation with DrukArmia. Here - complete disregard by all state factors. And abroad - frank dissatisfaction of consulates with the activity of our citizens, which disturbs their peace and the instruction about such peace from Kyiv. From whom? At the very top.
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— And what, there are no exceptions? There are local government bodies..
— Yes, the Kharkiv City Council also filed a lawsuit - you will say. And this is true, and this is a unique exception to the general rule of not caring about the interests of citizens throughout Ukraine. But! It must be said frankly that these are the actions of specific patriots of our city - nothing more. When the mayor was asked about this in Berlin - he could not even find an answer. He simply did not know about the existence of the Kharkiv Initiative.
— Another well-known Kharkiv woman is doing the same. She was a general - ignored the statements about Putin committing the crime of aggression, she was an ambassador - no action to convey the position of the initiators of timely lawsuits to the participants of the intercontinental assembly. What?! Where higher can we look for a decision-maker?! Think. Well, she is in power - what is not clear?
— We applied for securing the lawsuits by arresting property that is within the reach of our bodies. For example, property in former consular or embassy premises, as well as the premises themselves. Do you think at least one of the petitions was satisfied? Well, okay, property in Crimea or Donetsk, Vovchansk ... Well, it is difficult to transfer it to us now until the case of its transfer to the property of the plaintiff is resolved, but Odesa, Lviv and Kyiv are still ours! Why are you protecting them from us?! Because... well, you already know.
— They shout and shout about the ICC (International Criminal Court — corr.) and its arrest warrants, about the register of damages and the non-existent tribunal… And where is the warrant in the country itself, which demands that others punish the president of the occupying country? There is none and there will not be one under this government.
— Who says that? We. And the government itself. And don’t even think about somehow influencing the first persons: we have been through this more than once with the same predicted result. In this regard, they have a complete consensus with everyone except us, the victims of the crime of aggression. Both with the previous government in Europe or America, and with the current one throughout the world, including the Russian Federation.
Take at least the dollar accounts, etc. on the surface. Rushes of course. What about them? And they are lying and will lie under the reliable word of the bankers. Whose will they remain? Until when? We know. And you should know. Until these accounts start receiving reparations money from the defeated state - Ukraine.
Then they (accounts with assets) will be unfrozen. And then everyone will live in peace and quiet. Without claims from the outskirts. Isn't it funny? But that's how it is.
There is the most common argument of our powerful uncles, that we would take, but they don't give! That they don't give because then others will start taking money from previously "reliable" banks and countries. "And we can't demand this from our partners."
And why?! Why do you disagree with this very weighty argument of business peacemakers. Do you know how it sounds? "Yes! If you or your country commits aggression - the money is transferred to the victim. Immediately! All of it. And not interest, which perfectly encourages the misanthropic regimes themselves to such actions." Is that clear?
But ours is satisfied with something smeared on the lips and it turns out not to be quite edible.
We will strictly control the funds that the US president will transfer to us. But our brothers don’t want it! They don’t want it! Nobody! None! At the very top they are discussing the profitability of some “Markan” restaurants, but not a word about 5 billion from either Biden or Trump. And then think that this is a coincidence.
Belgium. It is a third party on the plaintiff’s side. They say 200 or 300 billion dollars of the aggressor. No hope that there will be a conversation with the King or the ministers of Belgium about using our money in the interests of DrukArmii or ATAKA.Pilotesy.
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— Well, something is wrong here. Well, the entire government can't be so corrupt or stupid. Well, you don't want to say that it's the enemies who are implementing such a policy, do you?
— Let's discuss! If they act like enemies, if they create documents like enemies, if they persecute you like enemies, then what grounds do you have to call this government yours? One of the defendants in the lawsuit for damages for the crime of aggression is Durov and his telegram. No one doubts the Erefian origin and subordination of this shit product to the Efesbeshny, but what do you think: who is the main defender and promoter of the impresario of the add-on in Ukraine? Of course, NAAU! Well, it's not for the Kharkiv judges from the former lawyers to drown for Pavlik - let Pavlovna do it. Coincidence? Maybe.
— A separate conversation for various state associations. We had high hopes for the Union of Communities of Ukraine joining the sacred defense of the affected communities. We held negotiations. We received an unexpected full understanding of the only way, other than military, to achieve victory over the enemy. We even got the person responsible for the implementation of this initiative in the Kharkiv region. But… They say they didn’t come to the right people there, they are at odds with the power vertical. Okay, we say, so who can we have productive relations with? We are ready! And with our charming deputy, with the English-speaking and Eurocentric one, who is with the president and all that… Well, okay again. We handed over everything we had, letters “with respect”. Zero.
— Something is wrong with this conservatory, something about these canned goods … And then the heavy artillery came to mind. This is a professorship from Rushi. And our worthy students. Wait — they say. Wait — they advise. Wait — they demand. What to wait for? And that everything will be resolved somehow. Someday, someone will make some kind of decision. And you will have happiness in absentia. Wasn't that bitter person convicted? Convicted. So what, that it didn't bring any consequences for either the victims or the states, so what, that it didn't have any consequences for the state or for its successful executors and no less successful leaders and the plowman - still decent even in robes? And that one... that one... is not a scientist... he has his tail up and doesn't even nod his mane - Che Ka is waiting like that. We are not waiting, we are just separating the grains that will bear fruit from the chaff. Join us.
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— About the trials. Say a few words.
— Why are the authorities so afraid of open trials? Why do certain individuals go to any lengths - just to avoid angering someone there? Because their position will become known. Fixed. Determined. And this is fatal for the authorities and their cronies. After that, either run away or be punished by us. Because we will not forget and will not forgive. Even though you are ready for an exchange, traitors - no one needs you anywhere, criminals.
— All documents are in electronic form. All judges' meetings are exclusively in video conference mode. The ideal option is a live broadcast. And what is there to hide? The judge's face? Our faces? Or the faces of the representatives of Putin and the heresy invited to the Ukrainian court?
— But no! Even in this situation, judges justify their fundamental unwillingness to have a fair trial with some kind of security. We have prepared a special official communicator, we have provided Muscovites with a workplace right in the Ukraina Hotel with a view of the White House and the monument to Taras Shevchenko - just do as you must! What does the judge say? “And you, please, document me that you handed over the text of the lawsuit in paper form to Putin himself.” Well, what can we think about the mental abilities of the speakers of such a position of the judiciary?
— And we caught the stupid ones on the other side of the VKZ) There was not even hope that they would behave there, but the KGB is not the same anymore.
— What did we do (if not without details)? We sent there an electronic text in English and in the language. But! They deliberately did a Google translation from English to Russian and did not correct anything. There, the smart ones took the English, translated it through Google and got an exact match. And then some curator replied with swear words that we are Bandera supporters who do not know or have forgotten our native language and that we are so poor that we cannot provide a professional paid translation, but use a free American thing. Then they realized that they had burned themselves (after all, they themselves confirmed receiving a copy of the lawsuit) and did not make such mistakes again.
And it turned out awkwardly with Putin's representative. They didn’t give him a power of attorney until May 24, after the so-called oath - they didn’t risk looking like a laughing stock outside their own country - they closed this story.
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— The lawsuits have astronomical numbers. There are only zeros after the number - more than 30. Where will you spend it?
— We will first of all direct the money to the breach of this justice system, which protects the enemy from the defenders. And that’s why the current “law enforcement officers” are going into the last battle with us, not the enemies of Ukraine.
So we are ready. How can you now intimidate the dispersed system and its ideological recipients of reparations from the aggressors?
We, and we ourselves, will be the recipients of reparations and contributions. Even if it will be in decades, perhaps after the occupation and defeat in this war. Perhaps from another country or countries.Perhaps from the children or grandchildren of government representatives — buying racists and venals from the Kyiv regimes.
